First things first; your ethics should be materialist. Less pops equals less resources. For going tall, you really don't need it. Darvin3 • 1 yr. Stellaris "Tall" mainly means getting as much resources as possible out of a small(er) space. Considering the asking price I suggest of buying this DLC only if you are interested in playing as a Megacorp or if you already have a good selection of DLCs. That’s 350x the population of China with much more area and a much more productive and advanced economy not just capable of building highways and skyscrapers, but advanced megastructures and entire artificial worlds. Tall v wide is a bit of a false construct in stellaris specifically (always has been). "Tall" as compared to "wide" is generally presumed to be going really high development on a low number of cities/planets (depending on your game), rather than low development of a high number of cities. Your civics should be Private Prospectors (you can use energy credits to build colony ships and you get a -33% empire sprawl from systems). are vassals just a prerequisite of playing tall. The bad thing is all/most your vassals will hate you because you are so small and they might try to fight to get free, even if you have a far superior fleet. It's basically how you use your influence. Traits wise, probably grab the usual Deviant Unruly Intelligent Natural Engineer combination. It’s the ignorant contrarians claiming that only playing tall should be a valid play style who are being told to screw off. But in Stellaris it seems rather doubtful if you could play tall instead of wide. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. it's important to understant that this advantage is a temporary thing. And size of empire directly influences size of your navy. So in Stellaris this would probably be a habitat/megastructure heavy playstyle and trying to do things that give you extra districts on your planets. My 2 cents: tall and wide is a bit nebulous. Stellaris. When i play these it often ends. It was never viable, and it's not even possible now with the new empire size changes. Lots, and lots of resources. It has factiond designed for playing tall. Wide empires have more pops. Making this a great strategy for beginners to try out. I have been thinking about something like this since playing a tall Void Dwellers game right after a very successful wide Overtuned game, but the work involved in sorting it all out was. Pick Aptitude as your first tradition to get +1 trait. I am enjoying playing "Tall" and focusing on tech, planets etc. This is really very unplayable for me, i hate playing wide, and playing tall I just. Part 1 is intended for beginners and explains the basics of roleplaying as well as how to integrate it into your games. But I think there's another, even more key reason why Stellaris should enable tall play, ideally without diminishing other playstyles in the process: Stellaris has a goal to accommodate a variety of story experiences, and to let the player enact a variety of classic sci-fi tropes. CK2 took around 8 years until the release of ck3. As quill is trying to get 200 years of peace achievement. -By the proposed time of 2350, you will still be ahead of the AI's. It does make sense in stellaris to play as a "Tall" empire. In just one year, that's 3600 minerals conserved. This is really very unplayable for me, i hate playing wide, and playing tall I just. walter. Playing "Tall" in Stellaris: a criminally misunderstood term I love Stellaris and this community! Sometimes I see people in the comments talking about how a player is trying. One last tip about resettling pops to take ruler jobs: with slaver guilds, you may have to resettle 3 pops total to fill 2 ruler jobs on a newly conquered planet. It is great for high difficulties because you don’t have to attack the really powerful empires and can get them to pathetic by mid to late game. Worth noting that the "drag" on research from empire size is pretty much the most negatively impactful (mechanically-speaking) aspect of a galaxy-spanning empire (i. It doesn't work in Stellaris (at least in 3. How to Manage Empire Size in Stellaris. The challenge can come in the form of story play elements or taking an origin that is plain bad. Here's what I personally like to do, and it works for me playing tall. You can do this by either vassalizing or stacking minus empire size modifiers. Relic world start is pretty good if you can get a few planets to fuel. If you end up in an empty corner of the galaxy with a lot of space to yourself, playing tall is just a pure handicap. but I don't know how to get any resources any other way. Weekly PSA: Habitat spam is the definition of playing wide. I’ve mentioned that playing tall empires gets boring late game. Originally posted by twistedmelon: Tall is still a strategy, but it is more grey. All the changes did was bring them closer together. Now that every system increases tech costs by a flat rate playing tall is merely minmaxxing system ownership. DIsagree. Flag was a pyramid symbol with yellow and black (split down the middle) yellow as the primary I think. Which in itself may or may not be desired. Remember, planet growth slows when you are expanding, so a constant early game expansion slows your making use of said things. If the devs want to make the game all about. Megacorp fits very neatly for tall empires, given trade's (somewhat) reduced reliance on planets and pops, and their penalty to empire size. Method 1: Find a local AI, preferably one that is considerably more powerful, and between you and the baddies. Throw Energy. 2 and before) because a wide and a "tall" empires will grow at the same rate, to about the same cap, with only some minor buffs for "tall" like mastery of nature that don't even come into play until later. Go for Bio-Ascension for cloning vats. If there was a way for even more primatives and most empires playing tall and maybe a few colonies, with most of their fleets coming from federations, then that would be a more true star trek scenario. Versus AI its possible to play tall but its harder than wide. We will use these. While I do know some general aspects of playing tall and I also know that in 2. Its more a general approach to stay small and go for quality or quantity. Expand at all costs! Wide in general, less-wide if you intend to do an early war of conquest. Preface Hello all! This build I have made is something I'd been using since 1. It was never viable, and it's not even possible now with the new empire size changes. However, nihilistic acquisition allows you to take other peoples pops to absolutely FILL your planets. Stellaris "Tall" mainly means getting as much resources as possible out of a small(er) space. Created by Robinicus. Trying to conquer whole empire's as soon as met them and have a stronger fleet. Spoken like someone who isn’t even seven feet tall! Step 1: get boxed in by superior powers. Machine, Hive Mind, Megacorp, Regular - Which are best for Tall play and which for Wide play?. You can no longer colonize large swaths of space with a vassal swarm either. Each planetary ascension level is a 25% increase base, so with all of those three boosts that becomes a 43. ago. Playing as an isolationist government with no access to unrestricted war, treaties, or other key social mechanics is a very different way of playing Stellaris, but it can be as fun as it is effective. z0rbakpants • 2 yr. Since your research requirements go up per each planet you colonize I find for me personally that it is better to only colonize larger worlds (15 tiles or more minimum). You. That doesn't mean a low amount of colonies; in fact, often more. If you stick to 10 systems and spam a bunch of habitats you are playing tall. In Stellaris you can't colonize a planet or build a habitat without claiming a system. self. I've read on here that playing tall in 2. This dichotomy really isn't applicable to Stellaris. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement. This guide is incredible. The "3. You have games like EU IV, Imperator, and CK2 where playing "Wide" comes with growing problems. You got two species that started (a robot and cyborgs), and you needed land on the hostile worlds (aka primitives or enemy empires worlds) with ground armies, Assimilate the pops then you basically have a new world under your name. The concept of playing tall is not a fixed one, it kinda depends on how you see it. The biggest reason Wide is better than Tall is growth related. In Stellaris the game naturally flows for you to be playing Wide and the only way to play tall is by stacking habitats and/or ringworlds in your territory to make up for the lack of actual habitable planets you may find yourself with. Conventional wisdom is that playing wide is easier than playing tall, but my experience has been the opposite. By mid- and certainly in the late game you should have a resource extraction planets feeding production and research planets. 1. 29 comments Best [deleted] • 1 yr. Go to Stellaris r/Stellaris. RodHull (Banned) Apr 22, 2021 @ 2. My recent game on insane I managed to beat the game (Huge map, 30 empires, 8 advanced and 4 fallen) in 2400 with only 5 planets in 2350. Many people seem to have a misconception what "tall" means in Stellaris. habitats as well as branch offices contribute to empire size. In Stellaris I can use my influence to grow wider by building starbases or settling colonies. So going "tall" is just shooting yourself in the foot. A truly tall empire does not incur the sprawl in the first place. 6. 9 (2. I really love stellaris and want to try something new, but run out of ideas, also Stellaris has great communityTall vs wide use to be about science before 2. Stellaris. Best. Techno Necro. Option A is to build up your internal economy, with any commercial or trade agreements being bonuses to your own production. In Stellaris, you don't make that choice. (Not super-tall though, as in one planet, but only 8 planets and about 16 systems at present. ) Tip. Playing tall is a long-term strategy, so players should generally start using it. Spreading all over the map is playing wide. . It is clear, that Stellaris tries it. I too like to normally play wide, but I'll switch it up with a tall megacorp. On top of that bio trophies will count towards your pop cap, so if you don't play super tall your essentially short 100 robo pops compared to another machine empire. So for Tall vs Wide in Stellaris, your start location matters a lot more than your empire build. NB: this is system not planet. Use the outpost cost ethic and build plenty of outposts. Jump to latest Follow Reply. That's when the mandatory late game genocide comes in handy. Are you using the -dx11 option and borderless window, because trust me Stellaris is NOT single threaded, there was a dev blog post specifically discussing this in the past. In reality it would be just the same wide play, just with fewer systems. Every time. The problems with Stellaris, tall empires, 3. 2 or 1. 3 update damages the ability to play wide, going tall is the smarter play. Empire strategy that minimizes empire size. 3; 1; 1; Reactions:. Given that in civ you can win without conquering anything, a tall empire doesn't have to transition to a wide empire, but in stellaris there isn't much to do if you don't conquer people, and given the way how the research and productions currently work, playing tall is not a very valid choice unless you become boxed in very early on. I really hope this video helps out everyone and thank you for watching! Nice to see some general coverage on the Tall Playstyle which arent specific Builds. Those would be some of the most basic types of non-linear mechanic which could make Tall play start to exist. Method 1: Find a local AI, preferably one that is considerably more powerful, and between you and the baddies. But it’s basicaly giving yourself a handicap for little to no reason. 400 stars is a good balance between the extreme crowding of tiny where you are guaranteed 100% constant war, and medium where. On the plus side, we get more unity faster without explicitly focusing it. The rules I'm playing with prevent me from ever having any colonies outside my starting system - this isn't as restrictive as it could be since the disk has 6 size 90 worlds on it. If you play at higher difficulties, then it’s supposed to be hard. In Stellaris people get a legit advice wide's always better and than come with screenshots of 90 planets, 900 pops asking why are they having problems. . Discussion. Ryika Jan 29, 2022 @ 11:08pm. After playing a couple variations of necrophage, I started organizing my thoughts to try and learn what worked best for me and why. 0. ;-) Most of the wide drawbacks come in the form of population. But what exac. Two strategies stand out when we talk about empire size. Though I do think it will be similar to other gs games were playing wide is by far the best strategy and building tall is more something to do while waiting for the next war or something. But to really take advantage of that small empire size, you need to focus on research and unity. ago. If you play as a non gestalt empire you can invest your influence into arcology projects for city planets. It depends on your definition of tall. Either that. Think about it like this: A 25k fleet will cost around 15-20k minerals, and a 25k starbase will cost about the same, but a 25k fleet takes roughly 300 minerals per month in upkeep. Shipsets were reptilian. I'm playing xenophile/pacifist, with the idea of growing tall and defend the galaxy against the endgame crisis. Tall/Wide are CIV terms that the community stole and then tried to apply them to this game and completely screwed everything up. Learn to micromanage. After playing tall it feels really limiting to go back to wide which sucks because I get way more satisfaction from conquering large swathes of space than I do from basically playing as a fallen empire. How to play tall in stellaris: Switch your game version in the steam launcher to something from 30 years ago before admin cap jobs were added. By building robots and getting % pop growth speed modifiers. Megastructures aren't the only way to succeed when playing tall. Hi, I always play tall, up to 5 colonies, but right now I see it as dumb thing to do due to how easy it is to increase your empire sprawl limit with bureaucrats. If you want to learn in Stellaris How to Play Tall then this Stellaris Playing Tall Guide is right for YOU! I'll be going everything you need to know in Playing Tall in. It is inspired by EUIV’s province development feature, which allows countries with a few provinces to be able to match or even be better than countries with more but less lucrative provinces. 2, I must say that I enjoy 3. Things have changed now, and playing tall is far from the powerhouse strategy it once was. It also allows you to focus on building up your core planets MUCH more from my experience, since I can just keep to myself while my allies/defence stations act as. So really you will want to find some sort of mod that provides benefits to those with few planets. Diogenes_of_Sparta Specialist • 2 yr. A few years ago, playing tall was the only way to win, and beginner players were asking what this is and how they go about doing it. All strategies assume you are trying to get maximum pops & maximum jobs on every planet. Step 2: pretend that you wanted to be small and ineffective in the first place. Just, because something is. There is also the older mechanics such as increased tech cost per planet and ethics divergence by distance which will favour building tall. There's also the issue that Stellaris really hasn't had a defined tall playstyle throughout its history. 3 with the elimination of admin cap. 8K 89K views 4 weeks ago Stellaris Tall Build Guide. Right now it is not viable to play a small/tall empire. Playing 'Tall' runs counter to paradox game design in a general way. That's a 70% increase. Enslaving conquered populations is tricky and requires a lot of pop shuffling. theBigTurnip385 Major. Mar 4, 2022. Get those techs and traditions which will make your pops more efficient. It’s not a case of habitats being bad for robots, it’s more that their 100% habitability on all planets goes against the tall playstyle. Kind of wish there were multiple assembly slots. Tall is restricting yourself to playing with fewer colonies and avoiding outward expansion. I could just settle and terraform more planets to make more stations, but that is a long term and expensive process. Midgame though if you want to play tall, definitely transition into habitats in the systems you wish to develop. Step 3. To add to this, both implemented systems of empire sprawl, both post and pre 3. 7. I was watching quill18's latest series on stellaris. For a one-system challenge the best (but not most. There are a couple of problems with playing tall. all right. 0 wide was getting as many planets as possible while taking the large tech negatives from having those planets. Give me the most broken empire you have. #7. Megastructures will further boost tall play style. Even so, you still do want to expand towards your target, just for the influence. HopeFox • 6 yr. Bribe them, then submit to vassalisation. Stellaris has generally only encouraged "wide" play (largely because wide empires always have more pop growth, which leads to more of everything else). 8. Very high output per system for when your packed in. [deleted] • 5 yr. ago. But it’s basicaly giving yourself a handicap for little to no reason. Today I have the first new basic build in a while. growing pops requires going wide and in stellaris pops are everything. Galactic footprint is a common usage for "wide vs tall" so you're not wrong, but op is correct in terms of game mechanics. Wide still has better overall throughput and is. I keep seeing stuff around the internet about 2. • 2 yr. Forcing it to inevitably conquer them as time goes on No it doesn't. Ecumenopolis helps immensly, as does subjugating half the galaxy for the energy credits. Once you complete your unity traditions hopefully around 2300-2320 (or earlier) ascend your trade world to level 10. R5: The Alderson disk origin (added by gigastructual engineering) is a really fun game if you want to play tall. . Imo the best definition of play wide is a lot of systems. Playing tall or playing wide, which is better!? Most players start by building and advancing their empires in stellaris with a typical : expand, then build o. The S Tier only features the best of the best Origin available in Stellaris. 273 upvotes · 38 comments. that's the cure. Playing as a corporation is a good way to play tall because 1) the managing is up to the AI so you just upgrade when their population reaches a certain point and 2) it opens you up to the galaxy through business, rather than just through diplomacy. "Tall" no longer exists in versions after that change. Get a branch office going as early as possible, even if it yeilds +0. 8 that I finally was able to bring into the current patch with the new planet mechanics. Hello my most pious followers. This would be opposed to expanding further into space through star bases or. In summary, make tall viable by requiring wide play to require major investment that requires opportunity cost, while giving the player satisfying tall alternatives (infrastructure/tech investment) that simultaneously provide for a more satisfying strategic layer and decision making experience. Outside of this there is no "Tall" concept in Stellaris as more. It does require playing the game a lot differently than previously though. The second approach is a colossus rampage. Keep rerolling every 5 years, ensure your councillor leaders have starting councillor traits. The problem with that is the ai manages resources terribly so you’ll need to play on a higher difficulty in order to have an even fight. 8 ‘Gemini’ release during Q2. The former is obvious as the pops system makes it all but impossible. 3 comments. Key ethic: Fanatic PacifistKey civic: Beacon of LibertyKey trait: Docile/Streamlined Protocols Key traditions: Dom. Business, Economics, and Finance. While habitats are good, it’s probably better to be funding colony ships. ago. This has fundamentally altered a few things about gameplay, but fear not; Things are arguably better for tall builds in the long run, now that large empires have been nerfed and pop growth is no longer quite so exponential. My idea was to play domination and build out solid core worlds and maybe a small sector with very strong defense and then go out and subjugate the other empires. Semi-tall. Make sure you are the only megacorp (by force if necessary) and make a trade federation or hegemony (depends on what you want to accomplish) become custodian (not emperor. You can play tall empires by taking tributaries and vassals, its fully possible to only have a few planets while "owning" half the galaxy through your subjects. Build lots of habitats and then ring worlds when you get. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy game Stellaris by Paradox Development Studio. If I'm playing tall, I'm aiming to keep my empire size below 100. It depends on your definition of tall. I actually don't particularly dislike this change, but this was how I got. The wide playstyle embraces sprawl inefficiency like a friend absorbing everything it can, heedless of the diminishing returns. With the changes made in 3. Communal: Since you’re going to be playing tall, stuffing more people in houses is useful. If you're going for clone ascendant, you really don't want to be slavers on top of that, otherwise you're just locking yourself to 5 planets until you research synthetics. Small. Jun 14, 2021 2. It can however be pretty challenging on to get right. This mod makes all the special systems in stellaris have a 100% chance of spawning. I think my problem is that i am too eager to expend. Megastructures aren't the only way to succeed when playing tall. The stations, planets and habitats are improvements of that sector. As I understand, the point is to focus on research and traditions and less so on economy, but I'm trying a tall run now and it feels like everything's sorta slow since my research speed is at 10, 7. Add a Comment. 3 never actualy encouraged tall play in the slightest, the ability to create administrative capacity only encouraged a wide playstyle and the inneffective linear maluses of the current static "empire size" modifier is laughable. He noted one of the paradox devs in the Stellaris Devs clash was playing as a tall pacifist empire. Stellaris Tall vs. Though to be honest, it doesn't really change my strategy in Stellaris all that much. Then tried a mixed economy run aimed at going tall and setting up strong vassals but was stymied when I realized 3 planets in 28 systems was incredibly unlucky and having anamoly researchers was actually. r/Stellaris. The faster you can fill up your planets the better, as you're going to be going wide VERY fast and grabbing every planet you can see. I like tall play style but it currently requires more resource density and pop efficiency to work. Stellaris players aren't at all happy with the AI habitat spam that plagues their games and have rallied yet again, begging Paradox to address the grand strategy game's long-running issue. Even if we never get a way to truly play tall, we still need to fix the current pop growth model (dominated by how many worlds contribute their base 3. Technically voidborn in a very small space is playing wide, in a very small space. Any other build will be strictly superior playing wide, and tall is just a. If for Civ 5 difference between small and tall does not matter, it is fine, it is a different game. Playing tall is a strategy among others, it's not really a playstyle as it can be in some other games (well, mostly Civ5 in fact, and it's really just another word for turtling). I’m just worried how long it’ll hold an attack back later (I’ve already fought a war to a draw by throwing them back 4. 0 making playing tall a viable strategy. Currently it's 2460, there are 39 empires, I'm the permanent Galactic Custodian. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but people who play tall are "wrong". The softcap, even under the initial 3. ago The_Godfather69 The Definitive Guide For "How To Play Tall" In Stellaris Console Edition Video This video is my Guide for: How to Play Tall in Stellaris Console. The faster you can do it, the less likely other corps can get them from you. Currently in 2. also if you're mass vassalizing that's not really tall play, that's just playing wide with extra steps. Technology_Training • 3 mo. Nerfing wide to be as bad as tall just makes the game un-fun for everyone. When people say they're playing tall in Stellaris, they generally mean one of two things: Either they're just playing a small nation, or they're playing a "compact" nation, with large numbers of habitats/ringworlds in a small number of systems. This gets into the debate about what people mean by "tall". Cap one or 2 worlds at a time, set food limit to 5k and munch your way to the diabetis throne. It is great for high difficulties because you don’t have to attack the really powerful empires and can get them to pathetic by mid to late game. What Stellaris Does Right, for now. You cannot go tall, becuase you have already cut off your legs and stumped your hands by going standard hive. Best. Planets and habitats within the same system counts as one system (but all there pops go towards pops penalty) The 0,01 penalty is the 1% penalty to research for each pop over 10 you have in your kingdom. Nothing you do by restricting planets/ habitats offers you anything which you do not get when going wide. It is my philosophy, and thus the mod's, that a 'Tall' empire is one with. !remindme 1 day. I can't give you much perspective specific to your year as I can't be bothered to micromanage like that. A small mod that actually re-balances the Tall vs. mining guilds is a lot better as the. Paradox you're doing it all wrong. 3. Admin cap is super important since you're more sensitive to sprawl penalty. Habitats are incredibly bad now. Technocracy is amazing for more research gains. You can mix and match whatever civics, ethics, and traits as you wish but fanatic xenophile will significantly help if you’re going down the trade route, and functional architecture helps void dwellers if you choose to go. Basically a tall playstyle is ignoring 4x and GSG conventions. ago. 17th century high fantasy setting and 9th to 12th century sword and sorcery setting that’s not 5e, pathfinder, dungeon world, or AGE, or DCC (i run that a lot and love it but looking for more structured skill system) that has support! 5. On easy difficulties though, wide is better than tall most of the time. 10x was very doable. Empire size has changed a lot over the years in Stellaris. Essentially, tall and wide shouldn’t be wildly different as far as pop count goes. I would say it's not even extra steps anymore, since there's no way you'll get enough leaders to effectively sector an integrated vassal. Best. It can however be pretty challenging on to get right. r/Stellaris. Pick the difficulty level that matches the challenge you want to face. Just don't confuse playing a voidborne in a very small space with playing tall. Tips on playing wide? So i am trying to play more wide and less tall but i seem to have a problem. Jump to latest Follow Reply. You can rightfully play this by ONLY claiming systems with huge planets with lots of room for research and skipping over systems with. The core mechanics of Stellaris are absolutely compatible with Tall vs Wide, it is just that wide has had repeated postive improvements over the course of the games development, frequently at the expense of tall play. Stellaris. There are many other strategy games where this is a very applicable concept, as there are penalties and downsides to growing bigger that can make your empire less. I'd like to see Stellaris travel down this route with a focus on corruption and general population unrest the farther out a colony is settled to the point where your fringe worlds need a constantly police or military presence to keep subdued unless you. There is no tall game-play in Stellaris, in the sense of having a very few or small number of super planets vs. That is, you stay small for some time so you can: - focus on science. A place to share content, ask questions and/or talk about the 4X grand strategy…The main problem is that Stellaris is a game of resources and pops are the most precious one, tall empires are awful in those regards and they also run the risk of lagging behind in the tech department which is bad. But it doesn't. walter. Discovery is super important when playing tall. and the edicts and all the other bonuses from low empire size aren't enough as a semi wide empire would be. Report. Hey guys, I'm not very good at this game, i played 3 times on ensign now and i have not really become more powerful than other civilizations. 818 votes, 167 comments. 4 planets that are high ascension level and low empire sprawl is tall, since in current Stellaris, each planet is basically the equivalent to an entire city in a game like Civilization. Playing tall works. It would mimick a wide play power curve, but with a tall looking empire. Though 25x crises was a serious challenge. 6 did: it removed the single functionality that provided a mechanical incentive. building tall is more of an opening strategy, not a long term playstyle. I believe the large consensus among Stellaris players who pay attention to meta is that, in 2. Playing tall in Stellaris has always been a mean and not an end. But you're right. I prefer to use my custom made tall chair and pc table to play tall. Try to expand early if you are playing wide (owning lots of systems) so you don't get cut off by other empires. 16 Badges. Playing tall is very effective as long as you play smart. The only way I can define Tall in Stellaris is when you focus heavily on science from day one to make your POP more efficient. Conventional wisdom is that playing wide is easier than playing tall, but my experience has been the opposite. First things first, let's talk definitions - I describe 'going tall' in Stellaris as simply restricting oneself to never having sectors. Internal struggles. Tall is more chill and easier. What actually constitutes tall in this game? In my current game I'm playing fanatic egalitarian materialists who aspire to turn themselves in to a…I used the robotic mammalian portrait (the tall bulky machine with a glass front). Often multiple playstyles apply and synergize. In the current beta branch, I’m running a megacorp. . Instead it means to have the same amount of planets but concentrated in a smaller patch of space. The goal is to get an edge in tech and fill out systems. There's 2 ways to play Stellaris. Egalitarianism + fanatical spiritualism + corporation for unity. Add a Comment. How to play tall in stellaris: Switch your game version in the steam launcher to something from 30 years ago before admin cap jobs were added. If you aren't trying to min-max, you'll be happy, and if your empire is big enough, it wont matter anyway However you decide to play, have fun!Stellaris Galactic Paragons DLC has given us the Crusader civic and the Under One Rule Origin. Also, I have never played with catalytic treatment.